Pattern Breakers Collective

Who Will You Be When History Calls?

Lisa Lucia

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Inspired by a question from Trevor Noah's Netflix special, this episode asks the one question that matters most right now: Who will you be when history calls?

 

Lisa of the Pattern Breakers Collective takes the show outside its usual territory,  beyond individual relationships and into the cultural moment we are all living through. Because the patterns that show up in abusive relationships, gaslighting, isolation, the silencing of anyone who names harm, the normalization of cruelty are showing up in the world. And the women who have survived those patterns in their personal lives are, in many ways, the most prepared people alive to recognize and respond to them.

 

This episode is about courage. What it actually looks like in ordinary life. Why silence is never neutral. Why discomfort is the price of growth rather than evidence of injustice. What is being asked of us right now, and why the women who have done the hardest personal work are more equipped than they know to answer that call.

 

This episode is meant to inspire. To stir something. To leave you with purpose, not just pain. Share it with someone who needs to hear it.

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I was watching the Trevor Noah special on Netflix recently, and there was a moment in it that stopped me completely. He asked a question, a simple one, but has been sitting with me every single day since I heard it. Who will you be when history calls? And I have been thinking about that question in every direction, turning it over, sitting with it, letting it be uncomfortable. Because here's the thing: people love to imagine who they would have been after history is already over. When the verdict is already in, when we already know who the heroes were and who the villains were and who just looked the other way. It's very easy to stand in the after and say, Well, I would have known, I would have spoken up, I would have helped. I would have never gone along with something like that. But courage is cheap in hindsight. The real question, the only question that matters is not who you would have been then. It's who you are right now, while it's happening, while it's uncomfortable and confusing and not yet over, while the room is still divided and the outcome is still uncertain while speaking up costs something. And that is what I want to talk about today. This episode is a little different from what I usually do here, but I promise you, by the time we get to the end, you will see exactly why it belongs in this space. Because everything I'm about to say, the women who listen to this show have already lived a version of it in their own homes, in their own beds, in their own bodies. Let's get into it. This is a space where we tell the truth about patterns, the ones inside of our relationships, the ones inside of our families, and sometimes the ones inside entire cultures and systems. And the question we keep coming back to is always the same. How do we recognize them? How do we name them? And how do we refuse to keep carrying them? Quick note before we dive in. When I talk about harmful dynamics, I will often use he for the person causing harm. That reflects the patterns I've worked in professionally for years and my own lived experience. But abuse and harm are not limited to one gender. This space is for anyone who recognizes themselves in these conversations. Now, today's episode is gonna move a little differently than usual. We're gonna zoom out from the individual relationship and from the personal story and look at the bigger picture, the cultural moment we are living in, the patterns showing up, not just in our homes, but in the world. And I want to say at the start, this is meant to be an episode that gives you something. Not just anger, though there will be some of that, not just grief, though there will be some of that too. I want you to walk away from this, feeling something that is harder to come by right now. I want you to feel purpose. Because I believe that the women who have survived what so many of you have survived and who are still here, still listening, still trying to understand and heal and break the patterns, are some of the most equipped people on this planet for exactly what this moment is asking of all of us. You'll see what I mean. One of the biggest reasons people miss their moment, the moment where they could have done something, said something, been someone, is because history very rarely announces itself while it's happening. It does not arrive with a warning label, it does not come with dramatic music and clear villains and obvious heroes and a timestamp that says, this is the chapter that will be in the textbooks 50 years from now. Pay attention. Most of the time, history feels incredibly ordinary when you are inside of it. It feels like headlines that are getting a little uglier every week. It feels like policies that seem distant from your actual life. It feels like arguments on social media that you are not sure are worth engaging with. It feels like things getting a little worse, a little more extreme, a little more normalized, but so slowly that each step feels just small enough to absorb. It feels like language getting cruder and nobody really stopping it. It feels like cruelty becoming entertainment. It feels like fear being sold as common sense. It feels like people who raise their voices being told that they're overreacting, and people who stay quiet being rewarded with the comfort of not having to pick a side. That is the environment. That is the fog. And most people, when they're inside that fog, either don't see it clearly enough to act or they see it, but decide it's not their problem yet. History begins quietly. It begins in what a culture will laugh at or what it refuses to laugh at. It begins in who is humanized and who is not. It begins in what people decide is worth speaking up about and what they decide to scroll past. It begins in the thousand ordinary moments when someone could have said something but chose not to. Or chose to. And by the time everyone agrees that something was serious, by the time history books catch up to what was actually happening, a great deal of damage has already been done. A great many people have already been harmed. A great many chances have already passed. I'm not saying this to create fear. I am saying it to create urgency because urgency and fear are not the same thing. Fear freezes you, urgency moves you. The question is not whether or not this moment matters. It does. The question is whether you will decide it matters while you can still do something about it. Let me tell you the most popular lie people tell themselves about history. It goes like this. We look back at a dark period, any dark period, and we think about the people who went along with it. The people who were complicit, the people who kept their heads down and did not speak and watched harm unfold and told themselves it was not their business. And you think, well, I would have never been one of those people. I would have known, I would have helped, I would have resisted. And here's the thing: almost everyone believes this about themselves. Almost universally, when people are asked to imagine themselves in a historical moment of crisis or injustice, they imagine themselves on the right side of it. But the math doesn't add up. Because if everyone would have been brave, if everyone would have helped and resisted and spoken up, then how did the harm happen at all? How did people suffer for so long? How did cruelty get normalized? How did entire systems of oppression sustain themselves across decades and generations? They sustained themselves because of ordinary people, not monsters. Ordinary people who were busy, ordinary people who were scared, ordinary people who were comfortable and did not want to disrupt that comfort. Ordinary people who told themselves that someone else would handle it. Ordinary people who convinced themselves that silence was a choice that staying out of it was not the same as participating in it. It was, and it is. I want to be clear. I am not talking about the people who were themselves targets, who were surviving, who had nothing left to give. That is different. That is not complicity, that is endurance. I am talking about the people who had something to lose. Not everything, but something, and chose to protect it rather than spend it on someone else's safety or dignity. Courage is not something that you will suddenly discover when things get bad enough. It is something that you either practice right now in the small moments, or you don't have it when the big moment comes. That is hard to hear. I know it is. But I also believe it is one of the most important things I could say right now because the people who end up being brave in genuinely dangerous moments are almost always the people who had already been practicing in smaller ways and less expensive ways in the daily moments where honesty and accountability were uncomfortable, but not yet catastrophic. They were already people who said the thing in the room that nobody else wanted to say. They were already people who did not laugh at the joke that was not funny. They were already people who chose conscience over convenience when the cost was low. And so when the cost went up, they already knew who they were. I think we are living through one of those moments right now that people will look back on and ask, what did you do? Not because it has to look like the most extreme chapters in the history books, not because there has to be a single dramatic event that makes it undeniable, but because the patterns are recognizable to anyone who is paying attention. We are watching hatred get repackaged as honesty. We are watching misogyny get dressed up as men's rights and freedom of speech and oh, I'm just joking. We're watching cruelty get rewarded with laughter and attention and platforms and power. We are watching empathy get mocked as weakness. We are watching truth get distorted until nobody knows which way is up. We are watching young boys get fed a steady diet of content through algorithms that know exactly what they are doing, that teaches them to resent women before they have even had a single real relationship with one. Content that teaches them that women are the enemy of their freedom, that caring makes you weak, that contempt is masculine, that power means dominance, and love means control. And we are watching women be told to endure more, to explain more carefully, to soften their tone, to stop being angry, to stop making it political, stop making it personal, stop making it such a big deal. We are watching women name harm and being told that they are the ones causing division. Think about that. When asking for safety becomes divisive, when asking to be treated as fully human creates conflict, something is deeply, deeply wrong. That is not a sign that women are asking for too much. That is a sign that the bar has been set so low for so long that reasonable human expectations look like radical demands. And what is being asked of us in this moment, all of us, but especially those of us with platforms and voices and something to say, is to not pretend that we do not see what we see, to call things what they are, to refuse to look away, to refuse to normalize what is not normal just because it is loud and constant and backed by people who benefit from our silence. I want to share something that happened recently because I think it illustrates exactly what I'm talking about. I made a post asking more men to step up. Not all men, not every man, not men as a collective monolith, but men with platforms, men with influence, men with the ability to challenge other men when they are wrong, which happens to be most men. I asked for allyship that actually cost something. I asked for men to not just privately disagree with misogyny, but to say something about it in the room where it is happening, to not wait until their wife or their daughter or their sister or their friend is harmed before they decide it matters. And I want to tell you what happened in the comments because it was instructive. Not threatening, not violent, not the worst of the internet, but something I think is just as important to pay attention to. Defensiveness, not curiosity, not say more, what do you mean? Not, I hear you, what would that actually look like? Not genuine reflection or a desire to understand. Defensiveness. Immediately, reflexively. What about men? Not all men, you're attacking us, you're generalizing, you're dividing people. Why are you so angry? And I want to be fair here. I understand that some people read a post quickly and react to what they think they heard rather than what was actually said. That happens. I have done that, we all have. But the initial pattern of response from the men who were commenting was too consistent to be about misreading. The pattern was the moment accountability enters the room, comfort exits it. The moment someone is asked to reflect on a system that they benefit from, the response is to make the conversation about their own feelings. And here's what that tells me. It tells me that a lot of people have learned to treat discomfort as an attack. That when someone challenges them, not cruelly, not unfairly, but honestly, their first response is to not think, but to defend, to redirect, to make the person asking the question into the problem. If that dynamic sounds familiar, if the experience of raising a concern and having it turn back on you as the problem sounds like something that you have lived, that is because it is the same dynamic. It's just a different scale. That is exactly what happens in an abusive relationship when a woman names something that isn't okay. The conversation never stays on what he did. It immediately becomes about her, her tone, her timing, her sensitivity, her tendency to make everything into a fight. Same psychology, different stage. These women often recognize dangerous patterns in the world faster than almost anyone else. And that's not an accident. Because what happens inside of an abusive relationship is a masterclass, an unwilling, painful, deeply damaging masterclass in exactly the psychology that drives harmful systems at every scale. Inside of an abusive relationship, you learn what it feels like when someone rewrites reality to protect themselves. You learn what it feels like to be told that your concern is the problem, your feelings are the problem, your need for safety is the problem. You learn what it feels like when a lie gets told with enough confidence that you start to doubt what you know. You learn what it feels like when cruelty gets normalized slowly, gradually, until one day you realize that things that would have been completely unacceptable to you five years ago now just feel like another Tuesday. You learn what it feels like when speaking up gets punished, when silence gets rewarded, when the people around you dismiss what you're experiencing because from the outside, things look fine. First from your support network, then from your own sense of self, to have your instincts questioned so thoroughly that you stop trusting them, to be asked over and over again to endure just a little more, to be patient, to not make it worse, to consider his perspective, to think about what you might have done to contribute to this. You know all of that in your body. And when you look at what's happening right now in politics and media and culture and the way women are being talked about and treated and dismissed, many of you are feeling something very specific, something that is hard to put into words but impossible to ignore. You feel the recognition. The same tactics that were used to keep you small, quiet, and doubting yourself inside of your relationship, those same tactics are what's being used on a cultural scale to keep entire groups of people small, quiet, and doubting themselves. And survivors can feel it in a way that people who have not lived it simply cannot. That is not a small thing. That recognition, that pattern recognition is knowledge, hard-earned, costly, painfully acquired knowledge. And I want to suggest to you that it is not just a wound for you to carry, it is also a gift that you have to offer. You know how this works, you know what it looks like at the beginning when it is still deniable. You know how it escalates. You know how silence serves the person causing harm. You know how the person naming the harm gets turned into the problem. You know how gaslighting sounds, you know how isolation feels, you know what it costs to finally speak. That knowledge is exactly what this moment needs. I keep coming back to this idea that what this moment asks of people is the ability to be uncomfortable in the uncomfortable, to sit with the discomfort of accountability instead of running from it, to hear something hard without immediately defending yourself, to learn something that challenges what you thought you knew without shutting down, to take a risk, even a small one in service of something larger than your own comfort. And I want to name something that I think is being glossed over in a lot of conversations about courage and action right now. Women have been doing this for a very long time. Women have been uncomfortable in the uncomfortable as a baseline of daily life. Not because they chose it, not because it was good for them, but because the world required it of them, and most of them had no choice but to learn how to function inside of it. Women have been staying polite through disrespect, smiling through being dismissed, holding their tongue through contempt, going through the motions of a life that was not fully theirs, carrying pain privately so that everyone around them could stay comfortable. Women have been walking home at night with their keys in their hands, sitting in a meeting where someone talked over them for the fifth time, reporting what happened and being asked what they were wearing, asking for what they needed and being told that they were too demanding, naming what was happening and being told that they were imagining it. Women have been doing the emotional work of entire households while being told that doing it is their love language. They have been managing other people's anger while being told that their own anger is unattractive. They have been accommodating, adjusting, shrinking, and then being told that they are not accommodating enough, not flexible enough, not grateful enough. Women have been building their lives inside of systems and relationships that were not designed for them to thrive and making it work anyway, not because it was fair, but because it was what was available. So when women now ask others, especially men, especially people with more structural power to tolerate a fraction of that discomfort in service of change, when women ask people to hear hard things without collapsing, when women ask people to challenge their peers, to use their platforms, be willing to lose a little approval in exchange for doing something right, and the response is that's too much. You're asking too much. This is unfair, you're being divisive. Why are you making this so hard? I want to say this as clearly as I know how. Women have been carrying discomfort for centuries. Being asked to share some of it in service of a better world is not oppression, it is participation. And the resistance to it tells you everything about who has been exempt from difficulty for a very long time. And here's the thing that I want to make sure lands. Women naming this, women being done with carrying it alone, that is not bitterness. That is not reverse discrimination, that is not war. That is clarity, and clarity after a long time of being denied it can sound very loud to people who benefited from the fog. Silence always lands somewhere. Silence always serves someone, and more often than not, it serves the person causing harm. If a woman is being demeaned and the room says nothing, silence is not just neutral. Silence tells her she is alone. Silence tells the person demeaning her that no one objects. Silence protects the behavior. If a lie is being spread and decent people stay quiet, silence is not neutral. Silence lets the lie travel. Silence creates the impression of consent. If cruelty is being normalized and people with platforms choose not to use them, silence is not neutral. Silence contributes to the normalization. Silence is one of the primary ways harmful things become ordinary. I know silence can come from very real places. Fear is real, exhaustion is real. Not knowing what to say is real. Feeling like your voice doesn't matter is real. Those experiences are valid, and I am not dismissing them. But they do not change the function of silence. Even when the reasons are understandable, the impact is the same. Silence still has a direction, and that is what. We're sitting with honestly. I have talked to so many women who have said that the silence of people around them was one of the most painful parts of what they experienced. Not the abuser, they expected the abuser to behave that way, but the people who watched, the friends who said nothing, the family members who kept the peace, the community that looked away, the people who privately acknowledged something was wrong but publicly maintained the fiction that everything was fine. That silence was not neutral to the women who needed it to be something else. That silence was a message. It said, your comfort matters less than ours. Your safety matters less than the relationship staying smooth. Your truth is not convenient. So we're gonna just pretend like we don't see it. At the personal level, at the community level, at the cultural level, silence serves the same function. And the opposite of that, silence does not have to be perfect. It does not have to be eloquent. It does not have to be a speech or a manifesto or a viral post. It just has to be something. It just has to be, I'm not going to pretend like I don't see this. It just has to be a choice to not let cruelty pass unchallenged in your presence, in your space on your watch. I want to share something personal here because I think it belongs in this conversation. I did not always use my voice. There was a long period of my life inside of the relationships that I've talked about before on this show when I learned to be very, very quiet. Not because quiet was my natural state. Anyone who knows me knows I am not naturally quiet, but silence became safer. Silence kept things from escalating. Silence meant the evening stayed calm. Silence was the price of a certain kind of peace, not real peace, not the peace where you actually feel at rest, but the surface peace where nothing bad happens right now, and you can just get through the day. And over time, I didn't just go quiet in the relationship. I went quiet in myself. I stopped having opinions that I would normally say out loud. I stopped trusting that my perspective was valid enough to take up space. I developed a habit, a deeply embedded habit of doing the calculation before I spoke. Is this worth saying? Will this start something? Is it safer to just let this go? And mostly I let it go. When I started healing from that, really doing the work, the uncomfortable, unglamorous daily work of figuring out who I was apart from what that relationship had made me, one of the most frightening things that I had to do was use my voice again. Not in a protected, safe space, in public, here in my professional life, in rooms where people might disagree or dismiss me or tell me that I am too much. The first few times I did it, my heart raced literally because my nervous system had been trained to associate speaking up with danger. And I had to retrain it slowly with a lot of support to understand that speaking up now is not the same as speaking up then, that the cost was different, that I was different. I tell you this not because my story is more important than the topic we're discussing. I tell you this because I think a lot of women who are listening to this understand that experience deep in their bones, the experience of having your voice trained out of you, and then slowly, imperfectly finding it again. And I want to say this the women who have done that work, the work of recovering their voice after it was taken from them, those women are not starting from zero when it comes to courage. They have already done something extraordinarily hard. They have already practiced the most important form of it. Every time you said something true when you were afraid of the consequences, you were practicing courage. Every time you named what was happening when someone told you that you were imagining it, you were practicing courage. Every time that you chose yourself over the comfort of silence, you were becoming exactly the kind of person that this moment needs. Now I want to speak directly to the men who are listening to this because I know some of you are here and I am genuinely glad that you are. If you are a man who gets it, who already believes that women deserves full dignity and safety and equal footing in the world, I need to ask you something honest. What are you doing with that belief? Because this is what I know. Women do not need more men who agree with them privately while staying silent publicly. We do not need more men who say, well, I'm one of the good ones, as if good intentions are the same thing as good actions. We do not need men who care about misogyny when it touches their own wife, sister, or daughter, but stay quiet when it happens to women that they don't know personally. That's not allyship. That is a personal affection. And personal affection, while lovely, does not change culture. What women need, what this moment needs, is men who are willing to be uncomfortable in service of something right. Men who will challenge other men in the spaces where it costs them something. Men who will say the thing in the group chat that nobody wants to say. Men who can hear criticism of a system they benefit from without making it about their personal feelings. Men who understand that being asked to do better is not an attack. It is an invitation. I am aware that there are men who have worked incredibly hard on this, who have genuinely examined themselves, changed their behavior, used their platforms, challenged their peers. To those men, thank you genuinely. That work matters and it is seen. But to the men who keep waiting for a moment big enough to justify action, to the men who keep telling themselves that things are not yet bad enough for them to have to choose, I want to ask you directly, what are you waiting for? How bad does it have to get? How many women have to tell you what they experience before you decide that your discomfort is worth less than their safety? Being a good person in private while the world goes sideways is not the legacy most men want to leave. And right now, the world is asking more than private goodness. It is asking for public courage, for willingness to lose something small in service of something important. The floor is not being a good person. Being not harmful is the floor. The moment is asking for more than the floor. It is asking for your voice, your presence, and your willingness to put some of your comfort on the line for someone else. They think that courage means standing on a stage in front of thousands of people. It means organizing a movement or writing a book or going on a march or running for office. Those things are courageous and they also require a specific set of circumstances that most people don't have most of the time. But that is not what most moments of courage actually look like. Most moments of courage are quiet. They are inconvenient. They are awkward. They happen in kitchens and offices and group chats and car rides and dinner tables and comment sections. Courage looks like saying that joke isn't funny when the rest of the room is laughing. It looks like believing a woman when she tells you what happened to her without asking what she did to contribute, without suggesting that there might be another side, without making her prove it. It looks like a man checking a friend who is talking about women with contempt, not a lecture, not a performance, just a, hey, that's not cool, and meaning it. It looks like voting with other people in mind, not just your own immediate situation. It looks like having a hard conversation with your teenager about what they are watching online and what it is teaching them about women. It looks like using your platform, however small that is, five followers, 5,000, to say something true rather than something safe. It looks like apologizing when you learn that you are wrong, not minimizing, not defending, not explaining, just acknowledging that you got something wrong and that you are going to do it differently in public, not just in private. It looks like donating when you can, volunteering when you can, showing up when you can for organizations and people doing the slow, unglamorous work of making things better. It looks like being willing to be the person in the room who says what everyone else is thinking, but nobody wants to be the first to say. And for the women in this audience specifically, courage looks like continuing to use your voice, even after everything that was done to take it from you. Even when you are tired, even when you have already said it five times, five thousand times, and been dismissed, even when the people around you do not understand why you care so much about something that doesn't affect them directly. You know why it matters. You have the receipts and your body. Your story, the one you lived, the one that you survived, and the one that you are still writing is not just a wound. It is a credential. It is a form of knowing that you did not ask for and paid dearly for and cannot be taken from you. Use it. Now I want to come back to the question that started all of this, and I want to ask it slowly. When women were being told their safety was not a priority, who were you? When the language around you got crueler and people said it was just a joke, who were you? When someone you know was being harmed and you had the ability to say something, who were you? When your own voice had been silenced for so long that using it again felt dangerous, who did you become? When comfort said, stay quiet, stay safe, this is not your fight. What did you choose? When the people around you minimized what was clearly wrong and called it balance, where did you stand? When history was happening right in front of you in the daily, ordinary, unremarkable moments, what did you do with it? I don't ask these questions to create guilt. I ask them because I think that they are the most honest mirror available, because I asked them for myself. Because there are moments I look back on where I stayed quiet when I should have spoken and I live with that. And there are moments where I found something, some small edge of courage, and I used it. And the difference between those moments is everything. Future generations will not only remember the people who led, they will inherit the world that ordinary people either defended or allowed to erode every day and every small choice and every moment of silence or speech. That is the weight of being alive right now, and it is also the gift of it. I want to close this with something that I believe with my whole heart. The women who have survived abusive relationships, who have come out the other side of being controlled, manipulated, silenced, and told they were too much or not enough, those women do not need to be saved by this moment. They are already equipped for it. You already know what it costs to keep the peace at the expense of your own truth. You already know it in your nervous system and in your sleep and in the parts of yourself that had to go quiet for a very long time. You already know what it feels like when harm gets normalized slowly enough that it starts to feel ordinary. You know the shape of that fog. You know what it looks like before other people can see it clearly. You already know what gaslighting sounds like, what isolation feels like, what it means to be told that your discomfort is the problem rather than the thing causing it. You know that playbook by heart. You did not choose to learn it, but you learned it thoroughly. You already know what it takes to find your voice again after it has been taken from you. You know what kind of courage that requires. You know that it is not done once and finished. It is done daily in small increments through choosing yourself over and over again when everything in your conditioning says, be smaller, be quieter, be less. That knowledge is not just your healing journey. It is your contribution. It is what you have that the people who have never been through it do not have. You can see the pattern, you can name it. You can refuse to be gaslit by a culture that is doing to women collectively what some men have done to individual women for a very long time. So, what do I want to leave you with? Hope. Grounded, specific, non-naive hope. Not the hope that says everything will be fine if we just wait long enough. Not the hope that outsources the work to someone else who will figure it out eventually. Real hope. The kind built on action, the kind that says, I cannot control all of this, but I can control what I do with what I know. I can control who I am in the moments where it matters. I can choose to be someone my future self will recognize with respect rather than regret. That kind of hope does not come from circumstances being easy. It comes from deciding who you are before the circumstances arrive to test you. You do not need to be perfect, you do not need to be famous, you do not need to have it all figured out. You need to decide, not once in a dramatic moment, but daily in the ordinary ones, that you are someone who does not look away. Someone who uses their voice even when it trembles, someone who has decided that their comfort is worth less than someone else's safety, someone who has already practiced courage in the hardest classroom there is their own life and is now choosing to take it further. The world does not only change through the people at the front of the room. It changes through every ordinary person who decides in the moment that counts to be someone worth becoming. History is not made by presidents and politicians and public figures. It is made by neighbors and parents and friends and partners and workers and women who refuse to stay silent. Ordinary people who choose not to become numb. So when history calls, let it find you awake, let it find you present, let it find you willing to be uncomfortable in the uncomfortable. Let it find you on the side of humanity for women, for the vulnerable, for truth, for the world that you want your children and your children's children to inherit. Let it find you brave. Send it to a friend, drop it in a group chat, post it somewhere because the conversations that matter are the ones that spread. And if these conversations mean something to you, please leave a review wherever you listen. It costs you nothing and it helps more people find this space. Until next time, keep breaking every pattern that teaches silence in the face of harm.